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Euro 2012 was plunged into its first racism controversy after the black players in the Holland squad were subjected to monkey chants during an open practice session in the same city where England will also invite the public to watch them train on Friday.

Several hundred people targeted players such as Nigel de Jong and Gregory van der Wiel when 25,000 spectators attended the Dutch practice session at the Stadion Miejski, the home of Wisla Krakow.

The players, on the instructions of the captain, Mark van Bommel, responded by moving their training drills to the other side of the ground. "It is a real disgrace especially after getting back from Auschwitz [the Dutch squad had visited the concentration camp on Wednesday] that you are confronted with this," Van Bommel said. "We will take it up with Uefa and if it happens at a match we will talk to the referee and ask him to take us off the field."



The problems occurred as the players began the session by jogging a lap of the pitch only to be greeted at one end of the stadium with monkey noises and loud jeers. On the second circuit, they were even louder and it was then the players decided not to go around again. "At least now we know what we can encounter," the Holland coach, Bert van Marwijk, said with heavy cynicism. "Very atmospheric."

Uefa subsequently tried to deny that it was racially motivated, saying they had checked with the Dutch squad and had been told it was not thought to be of that nature. Instead, the official line is that a small part of the crowd was protesting about the fact that Krakow had not been made one of the host cities. Another theory that has been put forward is that Wisla's supporters did not want their stadium being used by anyone but their own club and were simply booing the Dutch players.

Van Bommel, however, responded angrily when it was put to him not everyone had heard monkey noises. "You need to open your ears," he said. "If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse."

Privately, the midfielder is understood to be unhappy that the authorities are not treating the issue more seriously, but the incident is still threatening to be a major embarrassment for Uefa, coming before a ball has even been kicked, and will increase the scrutiny on Poland's supporters when the tournament opens with the co-hosts playing Greece in Warsaw on Friday.

The Polish authorities have been eager to dispel the sense that the backdrop to this tournament will have racism at its centre, and the country's prime minister, Donald Tusk, went through an elaborate public relations exercise on Thursday to drive home the point. Tusk was accompanied by a television crew on a 90-mile journey to Lodz to dine with Poland's first black parliamentarian, John Godson, and his family, including relatives who had flown in from Nigeria. The idea was to show the improvements both in Poland's road network and acceptance of different races.

Godson criticised the BBC Panorama documentary Euro 2012: Stadiums of Hate that had warned racism would be rife. He argued that Poland was a "hospitable and tolerant country" while Tusk wore a badge that said "Welcome" and said he was convinced there would be no problems: "I very warmly invite all English people. You will definitely not encounter anything unpleasant here."

Panorama had focused on the racist elements in the support of Krakow's two major clubs, Wisla and Cracovia, as well as highlighting the seriousness of the problem in Ukraine. Michel Platini, the Uefa president, has subsequently said the referees have been empowered to take teams off the pitch if there are serious issues – but added that any player who walked off without permission would be booked.

The families of two of England's black players, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Theo Walcott, have already decided against travelling to the tournament because of the potential problems. England are based in Krakow, along with the Netherlands and Italy squads, and will allow the public to watch Friday's practice session at Hutnik stadium on the outskirts of the city.



source.

mods, it is depressing to even say this, but i think we need a "racism" tag.
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Date: 2012-06-08 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grrliz.livejournal.com
That gif is going to get a lot of use this tournament.

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Date: 2012-06-08 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jumping-down.livejournal.com
What a disgrace. But the way UEFA are handling this is even more shameful.

Date: 2012-06-08 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mors-amor.livejournal.com
Apparently UEFA is denying it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/euro-2012/9318225/Euro-2012-Dutch-threaten-to-walk-off-pitch-over-racist-abuse-after-black-players-are-targeted-during-training.html#

so much for their no tolerance.

Date: 2012-06-08 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krisseems.livejournal.com
It's so sad that I'm not surprised that Uefa is denying this. This is the same Uefa that charged a club £7,000 more for being a minute late for kickoff than a club for racist chants. I don't understand how any player can expect them to stand up for them in a case of racism.

Date: 2012-06-08 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-jenkins.livejournal.com
We need a racism tag...

Now I'm depressed :(

Date: 2012-06-08 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelichen.livejournal.com
good lord.

Date: 2012-06-08 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grrliz.livejournal.com
Van Bommel, however, responded angrily when it was put to him not everyone had heard monkey noises. "You need to open your ears," he said. "If you did hear it, and don't want to hear it, that is even worse."

I've never been more in love with MvB than I am right now. This is fucking ridiculous.

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Date: 2012-06-08 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-teazle.livejournal.com
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Date: 2012-06-08 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meliadoul.livejournal.com
"Instead, the official line is that a small part of the crowd was protesting about the fact that Krakow had not been made one of the host cities. "

With monkey noises. Seriously, who would believe that shit.

Date: 2012-06-09 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Basically. If you're going to make up excuses, at least think of one that makes sense.

Date: 2012-06-08 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettyannamoon.livejournal.com
"It is a real disgrace especially after getting back from Auschwitz that you are confronted with this," Van Bommel said. "We will take it up with Uefa and if it happens at a match we will talk to the referee and ask him to take us off the field."

I have never had any love for Mark Van Bommel, but I think I do now.

If the ref isn't doing his job, a player can be carded for walking off. If necessary (and sadly, this article makes it look as if it might be), it may take an entire team walking off to make a statement that UEFA can no longer ignore. I hope that the Netherlands really stick together on this, and have discussed what actions they might take if it does happen in a game, along with other teams in the tournament.

Date: 2012-06-08 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsunami04.livejournal.com
I just can't with uefa. It's like they're denying it just so they don't have to do anything.

Date: 2012-06-08 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sukha4.livejournal.com
That's really shit. What kind of people go to a training session to do this? Even worse from uefa to deny it.

Well said, MvB.

Date: 2012-06-08 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] templargirl.livejournal.com
What kind of bullshit is this? UEFA is really really clowning it around these days, come on, the monkey chants are pretty fucking self-explanatory.

They don't go against racism and they don't allow black armbands in mourning either (Manolo Preciado & Spain)

Way to go, UEFA, way to go.

In this tournament, shit might hit the fan and there will be no one to blame but Platini & Co.

Date: 2012-06-08 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenny-grey.livejournal.com
Wow...I don't even know what to say. I hope this is just an isolated incident and it doesn't happen once the games actually start - but if it does happen, the referees had better stop the game and actually do something about it. It'll only get worse if UEFA & friends pretend it's not going on.

Date: 2012-06-08 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herro26.livejournal.com
Racism is ignorance and its sad people cant see differently. Hopefully this will not escalate during the actually tournament.

Date: 2012-06-08 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ananasonastick.livejournal.com
There are many articles in Polish press saying that it was made up by Ekstrabladet (a Danish newspapers) and then repeated by other Scandinavian newspapers. People in Poland are getting furious about this.

It would be the best for someone from NT to address that story. And by address I mean talk to TV so we can all see & hear this.

I would translate one of articles but it's to early for me, lol.

Date: 2012-06-08 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsyke.livejournal.com
I have to admit that I was a bit confused because initial reports about the training session in the Dutch press said that the fans were enthousiastic and the atmosphere was great during training.
But apparentely they moved the training to the other side of the pitch because of the noises.

Van Marwijk said in the press conference that they now know what to expect and that it was very nice (in a cynical tone.)
Van Bommel's (he's the captain) reaction is in the article above.
But not all players heard it apparentely.

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Date: 2012-06-08 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsyke.livejournal.com
Why can't they remove those 'fans' from the stadium? Security is so high during those games, if someone misbehaves, throw him out.

Date: 2012-06-08 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovelyeli.livejournal.com
damn the games haven't even started!!!.

Uefa..u still think it's ok not do to anything about it?.

Date: 2012-06-08 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flidgetjerome.livejournal.com
The Dutch FA won't be making an official complaint. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18363736)

I'd be dismayed but I'm too busy being dismayed with Hodgeson.

Date: 2012-06-08 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ziphertis.livejournal.com
Fucking UEFA. I would say 'I can't believe this bullshit', but unfortunately I really, really can. No matches are ever going to get stopped because of racist abuse, because UEFA will continue to deny that it is happening.

Also, from a Dutch newspaper, this is what Ibrahim Afellay had to say about it:

“As a footballer, you have to be resilient, because it’s not uncommon to hear certain things while you’re walking onto the pitch, or taking a corner. Many people might say: he is a footballer and he’s being richly compensated for it. But that’s not how it works.” He also said that he appreciates the unity of the team when it comes to issues like these.

Idk, it made me really sad, because I can fully imagine how many times these guys must get told to just deal with it, and I fucking hate that.

Date: 2012-06-08 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hey-larry.livejournal.com
That rationale is like saying footballers are being paid to take abuse. Which is totally wrong on all levels.

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Date: 2012-06-08 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladytelemachus.livejournal.com
It's really depressing how this is being called the "first" Euro 2012 racism scandal...as though more are expected and will not be surprising.

I've got to admit, I don't remember the bidding process for this tournament so I don't know whether fears over racist abuse were ever raised as a concern when Poland and Ukraine were being considered as hosts. It seems a pretty huge oversight on UEFA's part if it wasn't, especially if it's as rife as this incident would suggest.

Date: 2012-06-08 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenbathory.livejournal.com
if this happens during the matches I'm curious what all the commenters in the other posts who were more concerned with Ukrainians & Polish people being called racist than actually giving a fuck about the minorities being harassed will say

Date: 2012-06-08 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marsyke.livejournal.com
The people who racially abuse people should be punished, not anyone else.

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Date: 2012-06-08 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pi-lady.livejournal.com
This is what I was afraid would happen. I don't support those idiots who were shouting those idiotic slogans. but there were 25k people at the training and those who showed the players support during the training are overshadowed by a bunch of idiots. And I was also confused because earlier reports stated that the Dutch players loved the atmosphere...

And this is what I'm afraid of, that any incidents - whether started by Poles or foreigners - will shed a bad light on the whole nation. People won't care who started it, they will only care that it happened in Poland.

Racism in football doesn't only occur here, take Italy for example. I doubt anybody would make a fuss about Euro being held in Italy and yet they have issues with racism too.

Don't get me wrong, racism should get addressed but it shouldn't be done in a way that puts down a whole country. Especially one that just recently got on its feet so to speak.
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Date: 2012-06-08 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuroticismette.livejournal.com
I think it's really unfortunate that this has to happen to any country. Racism is disgusting and it rears its ugly head everywhere.

I think what everybody hates is the fact that UEFA isn't doing enough. It's pretty clear with the responses of the players (Balotelli walking off, MvB condemnation of the wholefiasco etc.) that there should be harsher calls for Poland and Ukraine to address the situation. The players need to be reassured they will not be disrespected like this.

At the end of the day, this isn't just on the host countries. It's on everybody involved in this tournament. Imho, if walking off the pitch is the only way the players can protest to their capacity, by all means. This is their dignity being shredded; fuck UEFA if they want to risk losing theirs.
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Date: 2012-06-08 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuroticismette.livejournal.com
They are ruining everything. Ugh. Goddamnit.

Date: 2012-06-09 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkprincessnat.livejournal.com
MTE. A fraction of the population is making the whole country look bad.
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